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At the BRM / Warners / MRC London Festival of Model Railways this weekend Kernow Model Rail Centre have on display for the first time a full livery samples of the Bulleid diesels 10201/2&3.  The post also provides very first images of the Bachmann ex SECR Birdcage sets crimson livery sample unveiled at the show for the very first time. I also provide an update on other Southern / Southern Region related RTR work in progress and model news. This follows the recent release of the excellent Hornby original Merchant Navy pacifics, in SR malachite, the BR livery version are due soon, as reviewed in my post here. We look forward to their H class 0-4-4T arriving later in the year as well as tooling is well advanced and livery artwork specifications completed.

Kernow Model Rail Centre – Bulled 1C0-C01 Diesels 10201/2 & 3

Although announced some time ago, the necessary research for the production of the CADS for these diesels with their complex multiple curved exterior shape has taken much longer than planned. During last year additional information came to light that has assisted greatly with development progress.

K2701 Bulleid diesel 10201 (incorrectly numbered 10203) in BR black livery with early emblem. Picture courtesy and copyright Kernow Model Rail Centre

I have fortunate to have been party to progress that has been made during the last few months; firstly, with various sets of CADs, initial Engineering Prototypes and now the livery sample versions on public display for the first time this weekend.
By way of a recap four versions are being produced:

K2704 Bulleid diesel 10203 livery sample in BR Green livery. Picture courtesy and copyright Kernow Model Rail Centre

K2701 Number 10201 in BR Black livery with early emblem.
K2701 Number 10202 in BR Black livery with early emblem.
K2703 Number 10203 in BR Black livery with early emblem.
K2704 Number 10203 in BR Green livery with late crest.

The purpose of the livery samples are of course to check the application and livery details, so being the first such samples there are a few known corrections to be made before these can go to production, such as confirming the colour shades, adding lining and changing to the correct late emblem and no interconnecting doors on the K2704 version. These models are fitted with now standard arrangement, for similar diesel and electric models of a centrally mounted motor driving each bogie via drive shafts and a gear tower.

[update 31/03/17] The  Kernow Model Rail Centre have further advised “The factory very kindly decorated this first sample from their own research, rather than supplying the model in unfinished grey. They also provided a sample of the version with a corridor connection that we were not intending to produce in the initial batch, having speculatively decided to tool this in case we wanted it! This again they supplied painted from their own research. Unfortunately the paint finish was incorrect and the running numbers applied were not correct for the tooling combination.”

Kernow Model Rail Centre – SR Gate Stock Pull Push sets and 4-TC Units

After what appears to have a bit of a long and frustrating wait, for potentially a number of reasons, the first livery samples of the Gate Stock Pull/Push sets have been finally received, via DJ Models, by the Kernow Model Rail Centre. Four livery versions are being produced, namely:

1st Livery Sample of K1001 in lined olive green. Picture courtesy and copyright kernow Model Rail Centre

K1001 Set 374 SR Lined Olive http://www.kernowmod…-Set-number-374
K1002 Set 373 SR Malachite http://www.kernowmod…-Set-number-373
K1003 Set 363 BR lined Crimson http://www.kernowmod…-Set-number-363
K1004 Set 373 BR Green (plated) http://www.kernowmod…-Set-number-373

1st Livery Sample of K1004 in BR green livery, and with plated panels. Picture courtesy and copyright kernow Model Rail Centre

There are a number of slight corrections already identified to be made, including the size and weight of the set numbers, running number and Southern sizes and positioning, the droplight colour on the olive green set and handrail colours etc.
Yes it is known that in the pictures left the bodies on these samples have been assembled on the chassis the wrong way around and swapped between driving and trailer cars, hence the steps not lining up with the gated entrances, and has since been corrected.

K1001 livery sample with Chassis assembled the correct way round!

The purpose of these samples is to confirm the liveries (and a small number of corrections made to the body tooling since the last Engineering Prototype) and no further tooling changes are proposed. It is good at last to see further progress made and hopefully once the livery amendments can be made production slots can be allocated.

Livery samples have also been received from Bachmann for the 4-TC units, also known as class 491 and later class 438, commissioned by The Kernow Model Rail Centre that were first announced in June last year.

36-640Z 4-TC in BR Blue Picture courtesy and copyright Kernow Model Rail Centre

Initially six liveries will be produced:

32-640Z Bachmann Class 491 4-TC Unit number 416 in BR Blue livery with small yellow warning panels and etched BR logos
32-641Z Bachmann Class 491 4-TC unit number 404 in BR Blue and Grey livery
32-642Z Bachmann Class 438 4-TC unit number 8022 in BR Blue and Grey livery with Network SouthEast branding
32-643Z Bachmann Class 438 4-TC unit number 8023 in Network SouthEast livery
32-644Z Bachmann Class 438 4-TC unit number 410 in BR Blue livery with half yellow ends Premier Charter with etched BR logos
32-646Z Bachmann Class 438 unit number 8007 in BR Research red and blue livery

Bachmann ex SECR Birdcage sets first look at livery sample and other Work in Progress

Bachmann in 00 gauge have a number of SR related developments as work in progress at the moment. The highlight at the show was the first appearance of the first livery sample pf the ex SECR Birdcage sets.

Bachmann ex SECR Bridcage set crimson livery sample

The ex SECR Birdcage coaching stock, are at livery sample stage. Three livery versions have been announced namely: SECR Dark Lake,
SR Olive Green and BR crimson.
Bachmann having now received and showing the BR crimson version so far, with the other slightly more complex liveries to follow soon. The expected delivery dates are currently September / October.

The Bachmann Birdcage set Composite coach livery sample

The ex LBSR H2 class 4-4-2, is awaiting livery samples and expected delivery dates are currently November / December
The Class 450 4 Car EMUs are at livery sample stage and expected delivery dates are currently August/September

The other Brake Third ex SECR Birdcage livery sample

No further news on the progress, other than being at the R&D stage, of the Class 414 2-HAP or Class 410 4-BEP EMUs, or the Ransoms and Rapier 45T steam cranes at the moment.

In N gauge the Graham Farish C Class 0-6-0 announced earlier this year is in the R& D stage along with the Class 319 EMU whilst the SECR Birdcage coaches are in the drawing office.

Dapol put N Gauge models in abeyance including Bulleid Light Pacifics

Dapol have have announced, that due to: “effects of the decision to leave the EU last June continue, particularly on the devaluation of Sterling and the increase in the general feeling of uncertainty as the actual leave date looms. These effects coupled with the continued inflationary pressures being experienced in China means that the decision to invest in projects and develop new lines is becoming increasingly difficult. Not only is the unit cost of models rising at an alarming rate but the cost of the tooling is also escalating.” They went on to say: “Unfortunately, some previously announced and mooted projects will have to be put on abeyance until the economic conditions become more favourable. This is particularly, but not exclusively the case in N gauge were the small size of the market, the relatively high cost of manufacture and natural cap on retail prices means that returns are least favourable. Projects such as the Class 50, Class 59, prototype HST, Battle of Britain and others are being delayed as result of this.”

The Dapol Maunsell 4 Compartment Brake Third in N Gauge Engineering Prototype

Dapol have confirmed that the N Gauge 4 compartment Brake Third and the Brake Composite are still to be released in the Summer and will not be impacted by the recent announcement.
I personally feel we might have to read between the lines a little on this, for example on what abeyance / delayed actually means…

The first test pieces for the Dapol ex LSWR B4 note the cab variations

[update 26/03/17] I can confirm that this not affect the  00 gauge ex LSWR B4, announced back in 2014, as this is in tooling and the had some of the first test pieces on display.

 

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As regular readers of my blog will I know I often assist a number of the model manufacturers and commissioners with support, advice and research in conjunction to models that they are in the process of developing. This post is a ‘comment piece’ and my own opinions on aspects of the process to producing a Ready-To-Run (RTR) model and I apologise in advanced for it ending up a little longer than I initially intended…

My own involvement varies from sometimes providing the initial idea, research and concepts, providing information from my own collection of drawings, documents and other reference material, checking drawings / CADs and perhaps checking livery samples etc. My involvement also varies depending on the manufacturer or commissioner involved as each has their own resources either full time employed, sub contract (sometimes off shore) or part time as they endeavour to run their own business.

I am not always at liberty or indeed willing to divulge or publish such intent, discussions, details and or CADs etc. as this is often of course commercially sensitive information; also with some manufacturers I have formal non-disclosure agreements in place.

This is not a full time occupation for me as I as I have a full time proper job and so is carried out in what little spare time I have. I should also make it clear that I do not get directly paid for my involvement, as my main interest is support the production of Southern Railway / Region related models (even in scales in which I have no direct interest), however my involvement does sometimes lead to a benefit in kind to which I am of course grateful.

Often I will speak to others whom I know and trust, that are experts in a particular field, or put them in direct contact with the manufacturer concerned, to obtain further information and advice. Others often assist with constructive comments and advice once a project in the public domain and on the whole this is welcome.
Sometimes however certain individuals decide to be: less than constructive, cryptic, verging on the rude and insulting; and often this has led to them being ignored or even blocked from communicating (including by a number of the manufacturers / commissioners), as their sometimes combative style does not encourage further dialogue (which is often a shame as their direct input could perhaps be useful if they were prepared to be involved on sensible and civil terms), although in some cases this does not stop them from trying to voice their often cryptic opinions elsewhere.

The overall process includes some or all of these steps, all within the constraints of scale, gauge and mass production techniques, of which I may or may not be involved in one or more:
Initial research » concepts / proposal for costings » additional research » collation of available information » laser scanning of any available prototype »
initial basic design of the model (such as chassis, PCBs etc.) »
production of full design and CADs – 3D printed samples (to check initial designs for fit etc.) »
tooling » Engineering Prototype(s) (EPs) – tooling changes / modifications / corrections »
2nd or more EPs » testing » livery artwork » livery samples » packaging design »
production » and finally of course sale to the general public.

Manufacturers and commissioners must be expected at the end of the day make a return on the not insignificant investment. This hopefully will then encourage more such investment in the future.

Differences, sometimes mistakes, can occasionally creep into the process due to a number of reasons such as:
Changes and/or variations in the prototype from available drawings, mistakes in available drawings, alterations made during lifetime and also preservation (which needs to be noted when scanning is used), and/or variations within the same prototype(s) even with only a small number of original prototypes, and during different periods in their life. 
All of which have to be accounted for and sometimes compromises will have to be made to make producing a model costs effective. The collaborative approach hopefully limits the number of these items that go unnoticed or misinterpreted by any one individual.

This process can take anytime between 18 months or so to even four or more years depending on the particular manufacturer / commissioner concerned, the available resources (either in house or sub-contract, full or part time), the information available and/or due to unforeseen circumstances that can sometimes crop up along the way.

Whilst I agree that often the process does appear to take too long this is sometimes beyond the control of the manufacturer for a variety of reasons, some of which have been well documented over the last 5 years or so. In some case s however such intent to produce a certain model can be seen to be announced to early, although often a market force at the time dictates such a decision whether right or wrong. Such a stake in the ground, as we have seen in the last 12 months or so,  does not of course prevent possible duplication, especially where one party is already well down the development process detailed above. Any form of behind the scenes collusion between manufacturers would of course be illegal as being a restrictive practice under completion law. I would however prefer such announcements to be made in a timely manner when the initial work undertaken is at such a place to backed up with a realistic delivery intent.

I hope this comment piece gives an indication of the processes involved in getting a RTR model to market and long may we continue to see Southern related models being produced as accurately as possible. I certainly believe that it is a positive step taken by many of the manufacturers and commissioners over the last few to involve members of the wider modelling community. We cannot expect all those involved at such companies to be experts in everything, especially the larger manufactures that are producing a range of RTR models over a wide range genres and eras. I therefore maintain that the constructive involvement of any subject experts in the wider community should be a benefit to us all.

I realise that some of the content of this comment piece, and it just that, a comment piece and my own opinion and views, might not be welcome in some quarters but if the cap fits…

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Last weekend I had the privilege to be assisting fellow High Wycombe and District MRS members Alan and Simon Paley with their delightful Pre-Grouping layout Loughborough Road (on which most of the pictures  below were taken) at the excellent RMweb live event in Coventry.  It was also a chance to catch up with a number of the manufacturers and see their progress on some Southern related models.

Kernow Models O2 class  Mainland Pull Push fitted version

Kernow Models O2 class Mainland Pull Push fitted version

Firstly further progress is being made with the Kernow Model Centre’s ex LSWR Adams O2 locomotives and I am pleased to advise the second engineering prototypes (EP’s) have now been received. Unlike the first EP’s received that were a bit of a mix of some of the tooling options these samples combine the all the correct tooling options for the each of the seven variants being produced.

Kernow O2 rear 3/4 view

Kernow O2 rear 3/4 view

Also a couple of issues highlighted from the first EP’s have also been corrected. Now that these models are being project managed by Dave Jones of DJ Models the development has moved on a pace and the livery details can now be completed. As I reported here the Kernow Models Gate Stock sets also being managed by DJ Models have recently been signed off for tooling to commence.

Hoornby Drummond 700 EP

Hornby Drummond 700 Class EP

Hornby were represented at the RMweb Live show by Simon Kohler, now working as a consultant to them, and with his kind permission was able to take a close up look at some of their new items either just released or in development.
Firstly the Drummond 700 this model was first announced at the end of last year is now also at the 2nd EP stage.

Hornby Drummond 700 Class

Hornby Drummond 700 Class

They have certainly captured the look the prototype and I am advise they hope to have these in the shops before Christmas.  The changes made to the originally announced number and livery versions that I reported here back in January, following my discussion with Hornby, has now been confirmed to all retailers. They will be producing E695 (Maunsell pre-1931 lined black) , 30315 (BR Late Crest) and 30693 (BR Early Crest).

Hornby 2 Hal in Southern unlined olive green livery

Hornby 2 Hal in Southern unlined olive green livery

The well documented supply chain difficulties experienced by Hornby over the last few years do actually appear to be finally resolved with a flow of new production appearing to arrive, including further batches of the 2 Bil and R3194 Hornby Schools Class 30937 ‘Epsom’.
Just starting to hit the shops now is the brand new R3260 2 HAL EMU looking very smart in SR olive green livery,  the first of a number of livery variants due, that like the Drummond 700 was first announced at the end of last year.

Hornby/Arnold 5 Bel unit production version

Hornby/Arnold 5 Bel unit production version

Simon also had on display and running the first production sets of the Hornby/Arnold 5 Bel Brighton Bell sets in the later blue and grey and livery and these should be available during October with the Brown and Umber versions to follow before the end of the year. I was very impressed by the models that also include lit table lamps that appears nice and subtle with now signs of any flicker. The unit running was also very smooth, although I did notice that one compromise that had to be retained was that the solebars do have a couple of cut outs to allow the bogies to swing, however the effect was not as obvious as I first through it would be from the initial EP’s seen.   As first announced here these models are  only  available via www.Hornby.com and orders can now be taken via their website here..

It’s good to see such positive progress on a number of the Southern related models over the last few weeks, and I am happy to say that some progress,  behind the scenes, of some of the other already announced models  has also been made (I have had Cads for checking from many sources recently) . Long may this continue and I will endeavour to continue to provide the latest updates on this blog along with any new Southern related announcements that may or may not already be in the pipeline (was that enough of a tease?)

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As many of the regular reader to his blog will know I have been assisting the Kernow Model Centre with the research and development of a number of the their Southern Railway related commissions.

I am pleased to advise that  after several iterations of the CADS have been processed that Kernow Model Centre  have today signed these off to allow tooling to commence.  It should also be noted that they are pleased to confirm that the final set (K1004) will be produced with the modified bodyside sheeting, continuing their commitment to produce models as accurately as possible and incorporating the many individual unique features of each individual vehicle.

Initially four version of the Gate Stock will be available.  I also should point out that to produce these four versions accurately it actually requires three different sets of tooling, see if you can spot the differences! (click on images to enlarge)

K1001a

K1001b

K1001 Set number 374 in SR Lined Maunsell Green livery

K1002a

K1002d

K1002 Set number 373 in SR unlined Malachite Green livery

K1001

K1001c

K1003 Set number 363 in BR Crimson livery

K1004a

K1004c

K1004 Set number 373 in BR (SR) Green livery

Each twin pack will contain the Driving Brake Composite (which was downgraded to Driving Brake Third during 1939) and Third coach and will be priced at £99.99.  This price is valid for pre-orders only and will rise once the models arrive into stock.

Kernow Model Rail Centre Managing Director Chris Trerise said “It has been a frustrating couple of years where not much has happened.  The changes we made last year to work directly with the factory in conjunction with Dave Jones of DJ Models have meant every single outstanding project has come on in leaps and bounds!

Further information is available at Kernow Model Cente dedicated web page

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Further to the announcement by DJ Models in July, reported here,  of their intention to produce a Class 71 in 00 and use a ‘ kickstarter’  process there has been a further development via The Kernow Model Centre whom have today made the following announcement:

“For the first time, a UK 00 model railway locomotive will be funded up front by the customers who will in return receive a model for their faith in signing up to this project.  By crowd sourcing the finance for this model DJ Models are able to start work almost immediately.  With the full co-operation of the National Railway Museum laser scanning will be carried out very shortly and cad/cam production can then follow.  Whereas otherwise it would take up to 2 years this process should make it possible to achieve in a much shorter timescale.

The model will feature a coreless motor, heavy chassis, directional lighting, etched grilles where possible, separate wire handrails, DCC 21 pin decoder socket with a large space for a sound speaker and sprung buffers.  Provision within the tooling will be made for alternate slide details for the Class 74 at a later date. (The Class 74 was of course converted from the Class 71 in BR days).

The price of the model through this process will be £125.00 which includes postage and packing withing the United Kingdom.  Overseas postage will be at cost with a VAT deduction for non-EU orders.  A special limited edition certificate and unique running number and livery combinations will make this batch of models more exclusive.

The likely RRP of any models released after this process is complete will be around £139.95.

Originally DJ Models had intended to use the “Kickstarter” process.  However there were many hurdles to cross to start one and it has led DJ Models to reconsider the Kickstarter funding situation via Kickstarter themselves not least that the price would have had to be 10% dearer to provide for their costs.

DJ Models has reached agreement with Kernow Model Rail Centre to run a crowd sourcing enterprise with some subtle differences to the US based Kickstarter that should will meet approval because of the lower price and it keeps all of the money within the hobby.

Ordering

When you place your order for one of the four exclusive models below, you will be charged the £125 in full as soon as you place the order.  Your funds are secure with Kernow Model Centre and will be kept in a dedicated account.  Kernow Model Rail Centre will release the funds required to further the project as each milestone in development is reached.

Milestones include, laser scanning, cad/cam development, 1st EP tooling and 2nd EP tooling.

In the unlikely event that the project does not proceed then all monies will be refunded in full.  You can also cancel at any time, without penalty, and receive a full refund, right up until the model is sent to you.  The easiest way is to pay through the website, but you can also send a cheque or visit Kernow Model Rail Centre in person and pay by cash.  There is no limit to the number of models that you can order.  As this project is being handled on behalf of DJModels they are excluded from the Kernow Model Rail Centre loyalty scheme.

Only 1200 of these models will be available.  Once all 1200 models have been taken up under this process further models may be released but they will not be at this special price and will not include the special launch certificate.”

Further details can be found on the Kernow Model Centre dedicated webpage here.

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Dave Jones of DJ Models has today announced the addition to his range of the Southern Region Class 71 Bo-Bo 3rd Rail electric locomotive.

Dave Jones advised: what makes this model so special is that this model will be attempted to be financed by crowd sourcing through a ‘Kickstarter’ campaign. This will allow, for the first time, a UK 00 model railway locomotive to be funded up front by the customers who will receive a model for their faith in signing up to this project.

By crowd sourcing the finance for this model I am able to start work almost immediately with the laser scanning (Thanks to the National Railway Museum) and cad/cam production, whereas otherwise it would take up to 2 years rather than the possible 1.

Southern Region Class 71, Picture courtesy of Dave Jones and Ben Jones.

Southern Region Class 71, Picture copyright courtesy of DJ Models and Ben Jones.

The model will feature a coreless motor, heavy chassis, directional lighting, etched grilles where possible, separate wire handrails, DCC 21 pin decoder socket with a large space for a sound speaker, sprung buffers, and of course alternate slide details for the class 74 at a later date.

OO71-001  E5003 BR Green with small yellow warning panel

OO71-002  E5004 BR Green no small yellow panel

OO71-003  71009  BR Blue with full yellow ends

OO71-004  71013  BR Blue with full yellow ends

The recommended Retail Price will be in the region of £139.95

DJ Models have also today announced a Class 59 Diesel, Hudswell Clake  24T 0-60-0 saddle tank and the ex NER/LNER Raven Q6 0-8-0 steam locomotive in both N and 00 gauges. Also a Churchward 63xx 2-6-0 GWR Mogul in N.

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