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A line up on shed, including Bulleid Light Pacific 21C103 'Plymouth', M7 243, Bulleid Leader 36001, G16 494 and a Beattie well tank 30586

A line up on shed at Fisherton Sarum,  including Bulleid Light Pacific 21C103 ‘Plymouth’, M7 243, Bulleid Leader 36001, G16 494 and a Beattie well tank 30586

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In a way this post follows on from my previous ramblings in my ‘armchair’ series such as “Armchair R-T-R Designers” and “Armchair R-T-R tooling and manufacturing Logistics” and even my comment piece on “The process in producing an R-T-R Models”.
Questions were recently raised on a popular model railway forum why certain Ready-To-Run (R-T-R) models either have not been or are going to be produced in either Pre-Grouping liveries or form, even to extent that the manufacturers were losing sales because of it. I would point out however that if the demand was not actually there to sell a complete batch, as minimum production run sizes often come into play, of a certain livery then it might be a case of not enough sales rather than one of loosing sales.

I picked up on this because the models in question being discussed were the recently released Adams O2 class 0-4-4t and the forthcoming Pull Push Gate Stock from The Kernow Model Centre, that were not being produced in London South Western Railway (LSWR) liveries. The particular post also cited the fact some manufacturers had already managed to issued Pre-Grouping livery versions such as: the Bachmann E4 Class 0-6-2t and C Class 0-6-0; and the Hornby M7 0-4-4t. Whilst other models including the Hornby 700 Class 0-6-0 and T9 class 4-4-0 and the aforementioned O2 have not yet been so issued.

In an ideal world if money was no object I am sure the likes of The Kernow Model Centre and even the larger manufacturers such as Hornby would love to tool for all permutations and variations of a particular prototype, but economics do rule and decisions have to be taken based on the size of a potential market for a specific variation / livery and the return possible.

Where the existing tooling is correct / accurate for the same locomotive / rolling with either no or very limited detail changes for an earlier period such as the Pre-Grouping era, or even early Grouping times, then producing such liveries, in perhaps a smaller production run becomes a viable option. However where there would need to be substantial tooling changes, complexities or even completely new tooling the return on such an expense, that can easily run into tens of thousands of pounds, against potential sales needs to be taken into account.

I would therefore not perhaps rule out an LSWR liveried Adams O2 at some stage, as this importantly could be achieved from the existing tooling.

With respect to the Kennow Model Centre ex LSWR Gate Stock these were modified in the early 1930’s from the original LSWR design and therefore the proposed tooling would not be correct for any liveries before that modification took place. Sets 373/4 were converted to Southern Railway air control system in 1929/30 and at the same time gained the standard Southern Railway four window pull push unit style front end, instead of the earlier LSWR 3 window front end.  Set 272 was disbanded in 1929 (prior to driving front end and air control conversion) and reformed as set 363 in 1933, with standard SR front and air control, as per sets 373/4.

A version of the Kernow Model Centre ex LSWR Beattie Well Tank was produced in SR Maunsell 1930’s livery No 3329 but as in the early 1930s the Well Tanks were already on their second substantial rebuild, completely new tooling would have been required to be correct for any earlier livery application.

Both the Hornby produced 700 class 0-6-0 and T9 class 4-4-0 engines were fitted with superheaters from the very end of the pre-Grouping period onwards that not only extended the smokeboxes but in the case of the 700 class also raised the pitch of the boilers, by some 9 inches, extended the frames and a new taller cab, and in such a case would not only require a totally new body tooling but would effect the chassis design as well, which even with the high pitched boiler of the superheated version produced is already very tight for space for the motor a gearbox etc. I do note however that that there would be possibly 4 or 5 members of each class that could legitimately be produced in late LSWR livery in the superheated form from the existing tooling, if Hornby felt the the market was there for them.

I hope this post goes a little way to further explain the issues and complexities of producing Ready To Run models and that sometimes it is neither practical or cost effective to be able to please all modellers all of the time. I am pretty sure that none of us want to return to the days of putting any livery on any model regardless of any historical accuracy!




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Kernow Model Centre has today announced the following:

Following many requests we have decided to produce two more versions of our award-winning Beattie Well Tank models.  We will be using the same upgraded coreless motor that will be incorporated into our Adams O2 models and the economies of scale from this mean we can keep the price of this batch of Well Tanks to £94.99 for pre-orders.  The Well Tank will be produced in the same factory and by the same people in China as previously, which is also the same factory producing our Adams O2 models.  We will be making these Well Tank models to order and guarantee to supply every order placed by 31st August this year.  At this stage we will decide on the final quantity to be produced but there will be at least 250 of each version.  As always, no deposits are required and we do not charge for the models until we are about to despatch the orders.  We will be offering DCC Fitted versions which will have the Gaugemaster DCC 23 Decoder fitted.  We expect delivery by the end of this year and as soon as the models are on the way to us the price will rise to £99.99 for new orders.   See more information on our website

The Kernow model of  30586 in early British Railways Livery with Bulleid Sunshine lettering will be as per my own repainted version

The Kernow model of 30586 in early British Railways Livery with Bulleid Sunshine lettering will be as per my own repainted version

K2056 DJ Models 2-4-0WT Beattie Well Tank Steam Locomotive number 30587 BR Late Crest £99.99 (£94.99 pre-orders)
K2056DC DJ Models 2-4-0WT Beattie Well Tank Steam Locomotive number 30587 BR Late Crest DCC Fitted £119.99 (£114.99 pre-orders)
K2057 DJ Models 2-4-0WT Beattie Well Tank Steam Locomotive number 30586 Early British Railways 1948 livery with Sunshine lettering  £99.99 (£94.99 pre-orders)
K2057DC DJ Models 2-4-0WT Beattie Well Tank Steam Locomotive number 30586 Early British Railways 1948 livery with Sunshine lettering DCC Fitted £119.99 (£114.99 pre-orders)

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The Kernow Model Centre have today made the following announcement about their exclusive models and commissions and I post it below in full.

In our determination to provide high-quality detailed models we are constantly reviewing progress of our projects. Sometimes this can reveal that changes need to be made, most of which are invisible to our customers.

After careful consideration we have decided to manage the production of our Adams O2 and LSWR Gate Stock OO Gauge models directly with the factory in China, this being the same factory that built our award-winning OO Gauge Beattie Well Tank. We have asked Dave Jones of DJModels to oversee these projects which will continue the close working relationship we have had since we started commissioning exclusive models.

Work on the OO Gauge Tiger Clay Wagons, Bulleid Diesel locos and D6xx Warships also continues as well as other yet-to-be announced projects, all of which will be produced under a new commercial agreement of which details will be given in due course.

All existing orders for these products will be held and there is no need for customers to contact us about this change unless they have changed their phone number, email address or house address and not previously advised us.

A consequence of this decision is that Dapol no longer feel able to progress the O Gauge Beattie Well Tank project and associated clay wagons. We had been working with Dapol to find alternative ways of producing this model, but the pre-orders have been disappointingly low with fewer than 200 orders placed. This is despite a huge discount being offered to encourage and reward customers who placed a pre-order and it being made clear that the pre-order could be cancelled at any time. While we may look at this again in the future for the time being we are going to concentrate on our core OO gauge market. We have already emailed and written to all customers who still held a pre-order for the O Gauge models with details of a special offer to reward their loyalty and patience.

Even after the above changes we had around £275k of special projects remaining with Dapol and it was our intention to continue with these, but Dapol have cancelled all of these with the exception of the OO Gauge models of D1003V Western Ruler and B850ZA and B850ZB Weathered Silver Bullets which are already in production. Our exclusive Class 73s, Bubble Cars, Turbots and Class 22s have all been cancelled and we are obviously very sorry and disappointed that Dapol have chosen to do this. This unexpected act means that we have had to remove these models from our website and have not yet had chance to contact everybody who placed pre-orders but will do so as soon as possible.

We thank all our customers for their patience and understanding for bearing with us and with our new agreement in place we expect rapid progress to be made on the Gate Stock and O2 models and look forward to sharing positive news about these very soon.

Regular updates are available by subscribing to our weekly email newsletter at http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com

I will not make any personal comment on the above other to state that I continue to assist Chris Terise at the Kernow Model Centre with respect to their Southern related models.

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Well the annual event that is the Warley National Model Railway show at the NEC has now been and gone and by all accounts it appears that it was a good year for the show. I certainly thought that this year there was a good selection of layouts, attendance was apparently up by 8% and most of the traders appeared to be doing good business. I certainly had a good weekend on the Hornby Magazine stand operating Mike Wild’s Hettle layout despite it being N gauge, Midland Region and DCC meaning my comfort zone was somewhere outside of Hall 5, but I think I pulled it off!

As is becoming more usual now a number of suppliers and manufacturers time announcements, product development updates and availability of new product around the time of / during the show and this year was no exception. This post attempts to round up some of those items of interest from a Southern perspective.

Kernow Model Centre

As per my post on Saturday, Kernow Model Centre have announced they are to commission via Dapol a Beattie Well Tank in 7mm along with suitable china clay wagons. Pre ordering and making a deposit payment of £100 will give you a saving of £100 off the £299 usual price. A ready to run 0 Gauge loco for £199 is a bargain I am sure many will not be able to resist. Full details can be found on my previous post here.  I predict a number of new Cornish china clay shelf type inglenook shunting layouts popping up due to these models, which could also be easily changed to be a decade or so later by switching the Well Tank for  a Dapol Class 08!
They also had some of the livery samples of their Class 205 ‘Thumper’ DEMU on display, commissioned via Bachmann this certainly looks an excellent model.


At the show an entire area was dedicated to the Lynton and Barnstaple Railway with the full size replica L&B locomotive Lyd being a centre piece surrounded by more L & B layouts than you could shake a stick at.

Peco’s R-T-R L&B Wagons

Peco took the opportunity to announce a new range of ready to run wagons and coaches in 009. Initial releases will be a box van and an open wagon in both L & B grey and SR brown available early in the new year with suitable coaches to follow later. More details and pictures can be found here  Whilst I am sure these will be popular with existing 009 modellers the current lack of any suitable R-T-R locomotives in 009 might still deter new entrants to the genre (although fingers crossed that perhaps locomotives might follow).


The long awaited C Class from Bachmann in both the exquisite full SECR livery and post 1937 Southern Liveries were available at the show and the BR black version is also imminent. I will be reviewing this model on this blog hopefully later in the week.

The EP of LMS diesel 10000

In their usual display cases at the show were a number of Engineering prototypes of current work in progress and their version of the LMS main line diesel twins 10000 and 10001 looked impressive, mentioned on here as they of course ran on the Southern Region. This model is in part commissioned by Rails of Sheffield with some livery versions being exclusive to them. Availability is anticipated to be early next year.


Whilst the announcements made by Dapol at the show were for some modern image wagons in 0 Gauge (I assume to compliment their previously announced Class 08 shunter) they had for sale on the stand SR 5 and 8 plank open wagons also in 0 Gauge although I think these are generic open wagons rather based on specific SR prototypes.
Dapol have also rereleased their N Gauge CCT (Van U) utility van which appears to have been slightly updated with finer tooling and NEM coupling pockets.

RT Models

Robert continues to add useful detailing items to his ever expanding range that can be found at www.rtmodels.co.uk. I covered his etched LSWR and LBSC lamp irons in my post here and can now confirm that the LBSC version is now available and has enough irons for two locomotives including the extended bufferbeam irons.
On show for the first time at Warley were SR engine lamps very nicely cast in white metal offering a much finer scale alternative to those available from Spingside (although Robert’s do not have the jewelled lens).
Also under his custodianship the Albert Goodall range now includes cast white metal brake cylinders for the Bulleid Pacific 4500 and 5500 gallon tenders that are noticeably absent from the Hornby models and are well designed to be a simple direct fit.

Trafford Model Centre (TMC)

The TMC Mk1 Horseboxes, picture courtesy and copyright M Wild

The TMC Mk1 Horseboxes, picture courtesy and copyright M Wild

The TMC commission, via Bachmann of the Mk1 Horsebox was available at the show and the weathered Southern Region green version I saw certainly looked extremely good. Further details can be found here.

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The Kernow Model Centre have today announced:

We have commissioned Dapol to produce on our behalf the LSWR (SR) Beattie Well Tank 2-4-0WT in 7mm Scale O gauge.

Associated for many years with the Wenfordbridge branch while based at Wadebridge these models were commissioned in response to customer demand for the model to be produced in the senior scale following the award-winning model produced in OO gauge last year. This model was initially designed using the very accurate ‘Laser’ scanning technology with the original scan taking place at the Buckinghamshire Railway Centre in 2009. With the research already completed this model is off to a flying start and we hope the O gauge model will be released around the end of 2013 or early 2014. The tooling for this model will be owned by Kernow Model Rail Centre.

The price of the Well Tank in O Gauge will be £299.99. You can save a massive £100 by paying a deposit of £100.00 immediately and the remaining £99.99 will be charged when the models are ready to be sent, making the total just £199.99. Paying this deposit does not commit you to buy and you are free at any time to cancel your order and receive a refund of this deposit in full. There are a limited number of this launch offer available and it may be withdrawn at any time without prior notice.

If you would prefer not to pay a deposit you can still place a pre-order without paying anything until the model arrives. If you chose this option you will still save £50 as the price will be reduced to £249.99. This offer will be withdrawn as soon as we receive the model after which all new purchases will be at the full £299.99.
These models will be sent post free to UK addresses.

We will be producing two models:

K7051 Dapol Well Tank number 30587 in BR Black with early emblem

K7052 Dapol Well Tank number 30587 in BR Black with late crest

In addition we are pleased to announce that we have commissioned Dapol to produce two exclusive 7mm scale O Gauge wagon models.

The China Clay 5 Plank Open Wagon

This will be produced with four alternative running numbers and a weathered finish. This will be a newly tooled model with the tooling exclusive to Kernow Model Rail Centre. The price will be £59.99 and we expect the models to arrive towards the end of 2013. These models will be sent post free to UK addresses.

K7001 Dapol 5 Plank Clay Wagon BR weathered as B743171

K7002 Dapol 5 Plank Clay Wagon BR weathered as B743353

K7003 Dapol 5 Plank Clay Wagon BR weathered as B743306

K7004 Dapol 5 Plank Clay Wagon BR weathered as B743198

7 Plank Open Wagon number 30 in Helston Gas Company livery.

The Helston Gas Company operated a fleet of 5 wagons, numbered 10, 20, 30, 40 and 50 to give the impression of a much larger fleet!
We expect this model to arrive in the 1st Quarter of 2013 and the price will be £49.99. This model will be sent post free to UK addresses.

K7071 Dapol 7 Plank Open Wagon number 30 – Helston Gas Co

We have set up a dedicated web page to our exclusive O Gauge models – http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/page/70/beattie

With this years announcements by Dapol of an 0 Gauge A1X ‘Terrier’ and also SR 25T ‘Pillbox’ brake vans it seems an interesting time for Southern 7mm modellers.

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I am extremely pleased to advise that the ’00’ gauge Beattie Well Tank commissioned by the Kernow Model Centre and manufactured by Dapol has come first place within the 4mm Steam  locomotive category in the Annual Model of Year award 2011. The annual poll is organised jointly between RMweb, Model Rail Magazine and Model Railways Express online magazine and asks modellers to vote across a number of categories. Congratulations to the Kernow Model Centre for making the inspired and brave step to commission the model and for Dapol for manufacturing the model so nicely.

3314 in Bulleid Sunshine style livery is the latest release of this award winning model

As readers of this blog will be aware I have been providing assistance to the Kernow Model Centre with this model and also their future Southern related models so I am extremely pleased (without any bias of course) that the hard work and effort that has gone in to this model by all parties has been recognised in this way.
The full list of results can be found in the newly published  ‘Spring’ issue of Model Rail Magazine and also here on RMweb and on Model Railway Express online magazine in due course.

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