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This months picture…

Bulleid Merchant Navy class 21C14 'Nederland Line' built from a Millholme kit, heads to London with the up Devon Belle having taken over the train at Wilton. Adams O2 built from a Wills kit, shunts the ash wagon on shed. My Grandfather, a Ganger,  can be seen taking a break leaning on his ballast fork near the platelayers hut.

Bulleid Merchant Navy class 21C14 ‘Nederland Line’ built from a Millholme kit, heads to London with the up Devon Belle having taken over the train at Wilton. Adams O2 built from a Wills kit, shunts the ash wagon on shed. My Grandfather, a Ganger, can be seen taking a break leaning on his ballast fork near the platelayers hut.

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Happy New Year, lets hope that 2017 is not eventful for the wrong reasons like some of the events from last year (to many RIPs to mention)… the first picture of the month for 2017 is…

A quiet period on shed with Bulleid pacific 21C102 “Salisbury” being cleaned, a modified Hornby fitted with original style cab and short smoke deflectors. A Drummond 4-4-0 L11 “Large Hopper” No 405 is being coaled. She has been built from Lodden etched brass kit. An Adams 0-4-4T O2 No 213 also simmers on shed.

A quiet period on shed with Bulleid pacific 21C102 “Salisbury” being cleaned, a modified Hornby fitted with original style cab and short smoke deflectors. A Drummond 4-4-0 L11 “Large Hopper” No 405 is being coaled. She has been built from Lodden etched brass kit. An Adams 0-4-4T O2 No 213 also simmers on shed.

Just a quick heads up, the next few days will see announcements from both Hornby and Bachmann of their 2017 ranges.
Hornby will be releasing their full range to traders at a series of meetings this week commencing this Wednesday (4th January) at around 10am, I will post my round up of the relevant Southern related releases planned as soon as the full range is live (as I do not want to jump the gun) on the Hornby web channels.
Bachmann will be presenting their 2017/18 plans to the media, and meeting with many of their trade partners, next Sunday (8th January), and I will bring you news of any items of a Southern interest from the venue during the day, so watch this space..,

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This months picture…

Adams 0-6-0 0395 class number 3441 sits in the headshunt at Fisherton Sarum awaiting its next shed pilot turn. The postman is on his rounds in the background.

Adams 0-6-0 0395 class number 3441 sits in the headshunt at Fisherton Sarum awaiting its next shed pilot turn, she is built from a DJH kit. The postman is on his rounds in the background.

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In a way this post follows on from my previous ramblings in my ‘armchair’ series such as “Armchair R-T-R Designers” and “Armchair R-T-R tooling and manufacturing Logistics” and even my comment piece on “The process in producing an R-T-R Models”.
Questions were recently raised on a popular model railway forum why certain Ready-To-Run (R-T-R) models either have not been or are going to be produced in either Pre-Grouping liveries or form, even to extent that the manufacturers were losing sales because of it. I would point out however that if the demand was not actually there to sell a complete batch, as minimum production run sizes often come into play, of a certain livery then it might be a case of not enough sales rather than one of loosing sales.

I picked up on this because the models in question being discussed were the recently released Adams O2 class 0-4-4t and the forthcoming Pull Push Gate Stock from The Kernow Model Centre, that were not being produced in London South Western Railway (LSWR) liveries. The particular post also cited the fact some manufacturers had already managed to issued Pre-Grouping livery versions such as: the Bachmann E4 Class 0-6-2t and C Class 0-6-0; and the Hornby M7 0-4-4t. Whilst other models including the Hornby 700 Class 0-6-0 and T9 class 4-4-0 and the aforementioned O2 have not yet been so issued.

In an ideal world if money was no object I am sure the likes of The Kernow Model Centre and even the larger manufacturers such as Hornby would love to tool for all permutations and variations of a particular prototype, but economics do rule and decisions have to be taken based on the size of a potential market for a specific variation / livery and the return possible.

Where the existing tooling is correct / accurate for the same locomotive / rolling with either no or very limited detail changes for an earlier period such as the Pre-Grouping era, or even early Grouping times, then producing such liveries, in perhaps a smaller production run becomes a viable option. However where there would need to be substantial tooling changes, complexities or even completely new tooling the return on such an expense, that can easily run into tens of thousands of pounds, against potential sales needs to be taken into account.

I would therefore not perhaps rule out an LSWR liveried Adams O2 at some stage, as this importantly could be achieved from the existing tooling.

With respect to the Kennow Model Centre ex LSWR Gate Stock these were modified in the early 1930’s from the original LSWR design and therefore the proposed tooling would not be correct for any liveries before that modification took place. Sets 373/4 were converted to Southern Railway air control system in 1929/30 and at the same time gained the standard Southern Railway four window pull push unit style front end, instead of the earlier LSWR 3 window front end.  Set 272 was disbanded in 1929 (prior to driving front end and air control conversion) and reformed as set 363 in 1933, with standard SR front and air control, as per sets 373/4.

A version of the Kernow Model Centre ex LSWR Beattie Well Tank was produced in SR Maunsell 1930’s livery No 3329 but as in the early 1930s the Well Tanks were already on their second substantial rebuild, completely new tooling would have been required to be correct for any earlier livery application.

Both the Hornby produced 700 class 0-6-0 and T9 class 4-4-0 engines were fitted with superheaters from the very end of the pre-Grouping period onwards that not only extended the smokeboxes but in the case of the 700 class also raised the pitch of the boilers, by some 9 inches, extended the frames and a new taller cab, and in such a case would not only require a totally new body tooling but would effect the chassis design as well, which even with the high pitched boiler of the superheated version produced is already very tight for space for the motor a gearbox etc. I do note however that that there would be possibly 4 or 5 members of each class that could legitimately be produced in late LSWR livery in the superheated form from the existing tooling, if Hornby felt the the market was there for them.

I hope this post goes a little way to further explain the issues and complexities of producing Ready To Run models and that sometimes it is neither practical or cost effective to be able to please all modellers all of the time. I am pretty sure that none of us want to return to the days of putting any livery on any model regardless of any historical accuracy!

 

 

 

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Following on from their release last year of the ex London South Western Railway (LSWR) Adams Radial 0415 class 4-4-2T and 7 plank 1923 Private Owner wagons (albeit with some spurious details and liveries) Oxford Rail have announced at the London Toy Fair three new liveries for the Adams Radial, and new models including a GWR Dean Goods 0-6-0 locomotive, 4 and 6 plank open wagons, an LNER cattle wagon and the development of BR Mk3 coaches (which might be seen as a surprise by some as they do not really fit in with the rest of the range). In addition two further liveries of their 7 plank wagon have also been announced for release this year.

Oxford Rail 3520 in Olive Green livery

Oxford Rail 3520 in Olive Green livery, as will be likely with the yet to be released 488 version the green livery highlights the lack of daylight under the boiler due to the motor/gearbox arrangement. 

The three new Adams Radial liveries are as follows:
OR76AR004 number 30582 in BR Late crest livery she gained in June 1960, with double slide bars Drummond boiler
OR76AR005 East Kent Railway number 5 (ex LSWR 0488) in green livery with single slide bars and Adams boiler as running on the line post WW1 and 1939 after which she was laid derelict until being purchased by the SR in 1946 (when she was overhauled, fitted with a Drummond boiler and entered service as 3488.
OR76AR006 number 3520 in the Southern Railway Lined Olive Green  livery with double slide bars and Drummond boiler as between January 1934 and January 1940. Note the version pictured is a pre-production sample and subject to change (perhaps the green is a little light?).

The GWR Dean Goods 2301 class 0-6-0 will be released as three versions, GWR Lined livery as number 2309, BR Early Emblem livery as 2409 and GWR plain green livery as 2475. Four version of the 4 plank wagon, based on a Scottish prototype, will be North British and three Private owner versions, Two versions of the 6 plank wagon will be produced in NE and BR(E) liveries.  The LNER Cattle wagon will be released in NE and BR(E) liveries.

Tooling for the Dean Goods is in development whilst the wagons are fully tooled for release during this year.

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This months picture…

Adams 0-6-0 0395 class number 3441 sits awaiting its next shed pilot turn. 3441 is built from a DJH kit.In the background N1 class 1822 is at the coaling stage. 1822 has been converted from a Bachmann N Class Drummond 0-4-4T M7 No. 242 is one of the 6 painted in Malachite Green after the war but is one of those that were unlined, she is a repainted Hornby model.

Adams 0-6-0 0395 class number 3441 sits awaiting its next shed pilot turn. 3441 is built from a DJH kit. In the background N1 class 1822 is at the coaling stage. 1822 has been converted from a Bachmann N Class. Drummond 0-4-4T M7 No. 242 is one of the 6 painted in Malachite Green after the war but is one of those that were unlined, she is a repainted Hornby model.

 

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This months picture…

A quiet period on shed with Bulleid pacific 21C102 “Salisbury” being cleaned, a modified Hornby fitted with original style cab and short smoke deflectors. A Drummond 4-4-0 L11 “Large Hopper” No 405 is being coaled. She has been built from Lodden etched brass kit. An Adams 0-4-4T O2 No 213 also simmers on shed.

A quiet period on shed with Bulleid pacific 21C102 “Salisbury” being cleaned, a modified Hornby fitted with original style cab and short smoke deflectors. A Drummond 4-4-0 L11 “Large Hopper” No 405 is being coaled  She has been built from Lodden etched brass kit. An Adams 0-4-4T O2 No 213 also simmers on shed, while Bulleid Merchant Navy Pacific 35023 is turned.

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